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amigadave: wikify slightly, categorize

amigadave — Thu, 06 May 2010 13:39:34 GMT

wikify slightly, categorize

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	== Scope ==		== Scope ==
	The aim is at least to keep the *.deb package format in the MeeGo distributions aiming at Nokia Phones/ Handhelds.		The aim is at least to keep the *.deb package format in the MeeGo distributions aiming at Nokia Phones/ Handhelds.
-	Although using the .deb format throughout the MeeGo project is ~~desireable~~, not all arguments here apply to the same extent looking at the whole project.	+	Although using the .deb format throughout the MeeGo project is desirable, not all arguments here apply to the same extent looking at the whole project.

	== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==		== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==
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	== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==		== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==
	* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.		* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.
-	* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [~~http~~:~~//en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/~~Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''	+	* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [[:wikipedia:Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format\|RPM must be supported when installing]]''

	== Alternative Solution ==		== Alternative Solution ==
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	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
	* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.		* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.
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		+	[[Category:Packaging]]

71.46.49.251: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

71.46.49.251 — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:24:30 GMT

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]		* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging
		+	* better package management and error correction with DEB tools. (dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, deborphan, debsums, the base DEB framework including pre/post scripts, conflict resolution, dependency management and such)

	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.

tanner: update link

tanner — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:41:12 GMT

update link

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	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
-	* The [~~http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536760~~ Debian~~/MeeGo project~~] does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.	+	* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.

tanner: Debian/MeeGo

tanner — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:11:02 GMT

Debian/MeeGo

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	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
		+	* The [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536760 Debian/MeeGo project] does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.

78.70.20.188: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

78.70.20.188 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:43:11 GMT

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.
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	[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)		[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)

78.70.20.188: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

78.70.20.188 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:42:59 GMT

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	* Maemo has the bigger community [1]		* Maemo has the bigger community [1]
	* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu		* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu
		+	* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging

	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.
		+	[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)

	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==

78.70.20.188: /* Common Advantages of DEB and RPM */

78.70.20.188 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:36:31 GMT

Common Advantages of DEB and RPM

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	== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==		== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==
	* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.		* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.
		+	* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''

	== Alternative Solution ==		== Alternative Solution ==
	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.

78.70.20.188: /* Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) */

78.70.20.188 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:35:35 GMT

Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM)

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	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==
	* No porting for Moblin packages needed		* No porting for Moblin packages needed
-	* RPM is LSB-compilant.
-	** So is deb.
-	** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''
	* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.		* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.

78.70.20.188: remove discussion, do it on the discussion page. reference added

78.70.20.188 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:23:05 GMT

remove discussion, do it on the discussion page. reference added

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	== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==		== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==
	* No porting for Maemo packages needed		* No porting for Maemo packages needed
-	* Maemo has the bigger community [~~CITATION NEEDED~~]	+	* Maemo has the bigger community [1]
	* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu		* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu
-	** Moblin promotes pushing back to upstream - Debian/Ubuntu rarely do! There is no need to be "synced" when you work with upstream. This "pro" deb point is actually a minus!
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging
-	** These changes should have been pushed back upstream. ~~Why is Maemo the only benefactor? The larger community should benefit from Maemo experience~~ and ~~then the package format wouldn't matter~~.	+
		+	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.

	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==

nickread: /* Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) */

nickread — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:18:25 GMT

Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM)

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	* RPM is LSB-compilant.		* RPM is LSB-compilant.
	** So is deb.		** So is deb.
-	** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported]''	+	** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''
	* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.		* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.